Don’t Believe Everything You Read on the Internet.
You know the saying that if you repeat an untruth enough times, it becomes the truth? In some ways that might explain the rash of myths that circulate in parenting and car seat groups on a regular basis. If you repeat something often enough, it starts to morph into a “fact”.
It seems like this is especially prevalent lately whenever the subject of 3-across or side-by-side car seat installations comes up. Since we are spending all month talking about car seat safety myths, we knew it was critical to help set the record straight on these thorny issues.
Myth: Car Seats Can’t Touch. No “Puzzling”. No Sharing of Imaginary “Airspace”.
Seats touching and/or “sharing airspace” has been a hot topic lately within the online CPST community. The messages circulating lately have been very hardline. No touching allowed, no puzzling of seats, no sharing of imaginary “airspace” allowed, period.
These hardline messages, although probably well-intentioned, assume a level of privilege that not everyone has. When working with families online or in-person, it’s important to understand that parents or caregivers may have different economic, educational, and environmental conditions than you do.
The vast majority of families looking to cram 3 car seats into their backseat cannot simply buy a larger vehicle to better suit their growing family. Even the cost of one or more new car seats, while much less than the cost of a new vehicle, may be out of reach for many families. A CPST should never assume that every family looking for help trying to fit 3 car seats in their backseat has the means, or the desire, to buy new car seats.
The reality is that when there are too many nit-picky “rules” and too many suggestions that you need to buy something other than what you already have, that can be counterproductive. At some point, it becomes a disservice to parents and caregivers who are just trying to keep their kids safe in the backseat using the child restraints that they already own.
Let’s begin our mythbusting quest by looking at information that can be supported by one or more of the following:
a) The Child Restraint Instruction Manual or Manufacturer’s Website
b) The Vehicle Owner’s Manual
c) The Current CPS Technician Certification Curriculum
d) Common Sense
1. Only install car seats and boosters in seating positions that are approved in the vehicle owner’s manual. Most modern vehicles allow for car seats and boosters to be secured in any of the rear seating positions but there are some exceptions so check your vehicle owner’s manual to be sure. Additionally, the vehicle owner’s manual will explain things like the presence and location of lower LATCH anchors, top tether anchors and how your seatbelts lock to properly secure a car seat. Source: Vehicle Owner’s Manual
2. Each harnessed car seat (rear-facing or forward-facing) must be installed properly as described in the instruction manual and each must be independently secure. As long as each harnessed seat is installed correctly using either seatbelt or lower anchors (with tether when applicable), and the seat does not move more than 1” from side-to-side or from front-to-back when you check for tightness at the beltpath, it meets these criteria. Source: CR Instruction Manuals; Child Passenger Safety Technician Certification Curriculum
3. If using an infant car seat with a base (aka, a rear-facing only seat), you must ensure that the carrier can be properly and securely attached to its base without interference from adjacent car seats. To clarify – there might be a little bit of touching or puzzling with the seat(s) next to the infant seat but you have to be able to securely attach and detach the infant seat from the base. If an adjacent car seat impedes your ability to securely connect the carrier with its base, clearly that is NOT okay. Source: Common Sense
4. Do not double-up on lower LATCH anchors. Only one lower anchor connector is attached to any one lower anchor bar in the vehicle. Source: CR Instruction Manuals; Child Passenger Safety Technician Certification Curriculum; Vehicle Owner’s Manual
5. If using a booster seat or just the seatbelt – the seatbelt buckle must be accessible so the child (or teen/adult) is able to actually buckle it. Source: Common Sense
6. You can shut both car doors without bending the plastic child restraint shell(s) or shifting the position of the car seats or boosters in the backseat. Source: Common Sense
With that said, it’s important to acknowledge that there are plenty of situations where getting 3-across or 2 seats side-by-side just won’t work.
Getting 3-across in a small car or compact SUV is very difficult and often downright impossible. No one is suggesting that anyone endorse a 3-across setup that clearly doesn’t meet the criteria listed above.
A perfect example is my 2016 Hyundai Tucson which is a small SUV. Getting 3 across with traditional carseats or boosters in this vehicle would be very challenging, if at all possible. The center seating position in this vehicle is barely wider than the fold-down armrest in that position.
In a mid-size to large sedan or SUV, you’re going to have more room (usually) in that center seating position. Typically, it’s that center seat that makes it or breaks it for 3-across or adjacent car seat installations. But even in a large SUV or sedan, it still won’t be easy and it’s still going to take some trial and error to figure out what actually fits and installs properly. For tips on making the impossible, possible – see our Tips for Successful 3-Across article.
The key to making this setup work in any vehicle is often found in the contours of the car seats and booster. Finding seats with contours/edges that mesh well with the contours/edges of the adjacent car seat or booster is frequently referred to as “puzzling”. Some amount of puzzling is usually required unless you drive a full-size crew cab pickup truck.
And this is where things can get a little… gray.
The photo above is NHTSA’s photo from their public image library. The photo clearly shows some contact between the outboard rear-facing car seat and the booster seat in the center. The biggest concern in a situation like this would be making sure that the seatbelt buckle is accessible so the child in the booster (possibly with some help) is able to buckle and unbuckle it. Since we don’t know for sure that the buckle isn’t accessible, let’s assume that it is.
Is this “ideal”? Maybe not. Is it “Good” or “Better”? Absolutely. Are these kids safely restrained, in the back seat, using appropriate restraints for their age, weight and height? Yes. Will these kids be very well protected in a crash? Again, the answer is yes.
So why all the fuss lately about car seats touching and puzzling and “sharing airspace”? Based on their own photos, it’s safe to assume that NHTSA (the mother of all things child passenger safety related in the U.S.) doesn’t have a problem with what’s being depicted in their own photos.
Now, let’s look for evidence to support the “No Touching”, “No Puzzling” or “No Sharing Airspace” messages.
Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
I checked the Instructor Guide for the CPS Technician Certification Curriculum and it’s completely silent on the issue of adjacent car seat installations.
I checked manuals for every major car seat manufacturer. The only manufacturer to address 3-across or adjacent car seat installations in their manuals was Graco – and that was just the SlimFit3 LX manual. A 3-in-1 car seat which was designed specifically for this type of situation. Nothing in the Graco SlimFit 3 LX manuals state that car seats can’t touch or puzzle or share airspace.
Graco also has a great video with some good advice on 3-across installations with SlimFit3 LX here.
I checked the FAQ section of the major car seat manufacturers. The only website that I found that addressed this in their FAQ section was Diono who stated that “Diono allows our seats to touch each other as well as other manufacturer’s seats”.
So, where did these “rules” come from?
Honestly, I have no idea. I tried to research the origins of these popular online myths about touching and puzzling and air space but I couldn’t find an original source for any of it. My best guess is that it’s just something that someone decided was “a thing” and then it was repeated often enough that it started to sound like a legitimate issue.
The other possibility is that these hardline interpretations are a result of some official language or guidance being misinterpreted by a person or group of people. While there is no proof to support this theory, I think it’s entirely possible.
Some of the words that we use to describe how seats fit next to each other can be very subjective. The word “overlap” is a good example. A little bit of puzzling (but each seat is still properly secured) isn’t what I consider overlapping. If seats were truly overlapping, you wouldn’t be able to get a proper installation and subsequently each seat would NOT be independently secure.
This seems like a good time to remind CPS Technicians and Advocates of the “Good, Better, Best” guidance in the current CPS Technician Certification Curriculum.
The situation can’t always be ideal. “Better” or “Good” is also acceptable and kids will be very well protected in any of these good or better scenarios. Less than ideal does not automatically equal UNsafe. Contrary to popular belief, perfection isn’t a necessary component of keeping kids safe in vehicles.
I understand the desire to go to the ends of the earth to make sure our children are protected from injury in motor vehicle crashes. As a mom, a CPST-I, and a survivor of two severe crashes, I totally get it. But it’s important to keep in mind that we can keep kids safe AND also be reasonable in our advocacy efforts.
When we set the bar too high because we’re so passionate about our perceptions of BEST-Best-Practice, we can actually create barriers to the objectives that we’re trying to achieve.
Real life can’t always be ideal. In fact, it’s rarely ideal. If we get too nit-picky about what is and isn’t acceptable, that’s going to have the unintended consequence of more children being moved into the front seat and/or moving out of child restraints prematurely.
Since I wasn’t able to cite a single credible source for any of these 3-across myths, we declare them officially BUSTED!
To be honest, 3-across may not be ideal under dynamic crash conditions. We’re not trying to make anyone feel bad about their need for 3-across or side-by-side child restraints, we’re just pointing out that crashes and subsequent interactions between child restraints and occupants of any size during the crash are unpredictable. More seats + more occupants = more variables.
However, unless a family is willing to sell one of their kids to a band of roving minstrels, they may have to make do with what they have to work with. The CPST and advocate community can best support families and caregivers by providing helpful, unbiased and accurate information along with a level of understanding that not every situation is going to be a picture-perfect professional marketing image.
Being at the forefront of a continually-evolving field for the last 20 years, I have reminded myself often of the need to be open to new information and different perspectives. I hope this article inspires others to do the same.
Check out more of CSB’s popular Mythbusting series:
5-point harnesses are safer than boosters for older kids
Can you install a carseat too tightly?
Can rear-facing car seats touch front vehicle seats?
Legs bent or feet touching the backseat when rear-facing is dangerous
We’re all going to die in an airplane crash anyway, so why use a carseat?
Are backseat baby mirrors deadly?
Shopping Cart Safety – is it safe to put an infant carseat on top of cart?
Your pediatrician is a car seat expert
You need an infant carseat for a newborn
LATCH is safer than a seat belt installation
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Thank you for this! Am trying to help my friend figure out three across and its such a pain – the two Gracos (FF & RF Slimfit 20″) “puzzle” together and I’ve heard so much that that’s not ok! Checking to make sure each is independently secure will be a much better check.
I’ve seen the MACPS Harmonized Statement cited. It says, “The positions of the car seats on the vehicle seat are not changed by the contact. That is, they still align properly with respect to the seat belt or LATCH anchors that secure them and do not overlap the adjacent car seat.” Perhaps this is where the definition of overlap should be clarified.
This is an older statement and could definitely use clarification, especially if this statement does not appear in a manufacturer’s owners manual or online FAQ or other manufacturer resource that is readily available to a parent or caregiver. As such, it is only a guideline for technicians and advocates from a third party that is general advice that *may* be helpful, as long it does not conflict with an owner’s manual or state law. Such guidelines should be carefully considered if following them may result in a potentially less safe situation. For example- placing a child in a front seat, moving to a narrow booster too early, or having a child who won’t fit in the vehicle if the guideline is followed. That vehicle will almost always still be used for that child (and all the desired passengers) once it leaves the fitting station, one way or another.
Thank you for this. I was feeling so overwhelmed because of all the constraints a car seat technician was placing on me. She made it seem like it would be absolutely impossible for me to fit 3 across in my Nissan Sentra 2012. In fact she insisted that she reached out to many other technicians and was copy pasting everyone’s reply to her saying it would be impossible to do it. I did some of my own research to see what worked for others and even after sharing what I found would work according to my research she had issues with the type of car seat I would need to buy because it can’t easily be installed properly (even though me and my husband were able to install it safely so that it doesn’t shift to the sides or front/back…the diono radian r3). She was insisting I buy the new Graco slim fit lx car seat instead which is around $250 more than the diono car seats I purchased on sale for 250$. She then had issue with my method of placing my weight in the car seat to tighten it well so that it wouldn’t move. She said now I may have damaged the seats without knowing since I used some of my weight to press down in the seat. She sent me a video for proper installation and the person in the video used her weight the same way I did. It really felt overwhelming trying appease all of her demands. I honestly wish I had never reached out for help. The process would have been much less stressful and I ultimately ended up doing what I had researched myself anyway.
She also insisted I try to figure out finding another vehicle to make sure it was safe for my kids. My experience was so unpleasant. I will never reach out to them again.
I started with installing 1 diono in the middle, then I installed the infant car seat and the other diono seat in the sides. All car seats are individually tight and don’t move and sit flat in the seats. The car seats touch but they do not overlap. Also, the doors are able to close without touching any of the car seats. I’m please with the install.
@Leila, thank you for taking the time to comment. I’m sorry that you had such a frustrating experience but I’m glad that you did your own research and it sounds like you found a set-up that works in your vehicle. Yay!! Unfortunately, your online experience isn’t uncommon which is why this “mythbusting” article was necessary. Again, I’m sorry that you had such a negative experience online but please know that if you ever need help in person, do not hesitate to contact a local certified CPST using the “Find a Tech” feature on the Safe Kids website: https://cert.safekids.org/ Good luck with 3 little kids! 🙂
OMGosh, Leila, it really makes my blood boil when I hear stories like yours. 😡 Kecia gave you a good link to find someone, though it wasn’t clear to me if the tech you worked with was local or online? I mean, can you imagine damaging your carseat by putting your knee into it? What would happen in a crash? Online, stories get picked up and it becomes a game of telephone. Kecia and I have both dealt with students in our CPS classes who have started out like us—being CPS advocates and learning so much online—then going to class to get the “official” book learning, and they are 2 different things. It’s easy to loosen up the standards online and forget that we deal with real people who have budgets and can’t afford to go buy a new car to fix a problem 😳.
I’m glad you found a solution to your 3-across! Diono Radians aren’t often recommended because they have quirks and you have to read the manual carefully to make sure you’re following all the steps for proper installation and use. It sounds like you’ve got a great install! 🤗
Hi Leila,
It is a shame how much misinformation there is about adjacent and 3-across installations, even from certified technicians. Ultimately, the rules that apply to 3-across seat installs are the same ones listed in the car seat and vehicle owner’s manuals. Some 3-across and side-by-side installs are extremely difficult or impossible, especially in compact vehicles. Others are only made impossible when advocates and technicians impose third party guidelines that are not actual rules that must be followed. The definition of “overlap” is another issue that causes problems, or rather the interpretation of the term by any particular parent or technician.
Many manufacturers also have advocates or customer service agents who can setup virtual consultations. If you can’t find another local technician to double-check, you should definitely contact the manufacturer if you have any concerns about your 3-across setup.