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The Ultimate Rear-Facing Convertible Carseat Space Comparison – Size Matters!

size-mattersIs your vehicle’s front-to-back space limited? Are you and/or your partner tall or just leggy? Or maybe you just want the ability to stretch out a little bit more on a long ride. Regardless of why you need more leg room up front, the reality is that you’re not alone. The rear-facing carseat/space issue comes up over and over again here at CarseatBlog, on our blog’s Facebook page and on the Car-Seat.org forums. Everyone, it seems, is looking for a good quality, higher-weight-harness convertible that will keep their child happy and comfortably seated in the rear-facing position while still allowing the front seat driver and/or passenger to be safe and comfortable too. Because let’s face it, you shouldn’t have to sacrifice your comfort or safety just to accommodate junior who is optimally seated rear-facing in a convertible behind you!

Additionally, as a mom and a Child Passenger Safety Technician-Instructor, I know that space factors play an important role for many parents in their decision on when to make that “demotion” in safety from rear-facing to forward-facing.  Ideally that switch from RF to FF shouldn’t occur until the child has maxed out their convertible seat by either height or weight, but that’s rarely the reality. The reality is that the vast majority of parents in this country are still turning their toddlers forward-facing before the recommended minimum age of 2 and, in most cases, way before the RF weight or height limits of their convertible seat are actually reached. I know space issues play a role in many of those decisions. Hopefully this blog can help by giving parents some useful info on which rear-facing convertibles take up the least amount of room.

I must stress that every vehicle is different and our measurements may not translate exactly to your vehicle. For example, if you are installing in a center seating position or have a larger vehicle, you may have plenty of room – even for the space hogs. Since there are too many variables from vehicle to vehicle and even from one seating position to the next (within the same vehicle), I can’t and won’t tell you that seat X or seat Y is going to be the best choice for your child in your vehicle. But I can tell you that seat X takes up 3″ less room when rear-facing than seat Y when installed properly and in accordance with the manufacturer’s directions in the same seating position. The rest of the factors (specs, features, price, etc.) are going to be up to you to take into account. Because even though size matters, it’s not the only thing that matters!

With that in mind, I chose convertibles that are either on our list of Recommended Seats or just popular higher-weight convertibles. I did not include small convertible seats like the Combi Coccoro, because I know that most of our readers are looking for convertibles that can last for several years and can be used for extended rear-facing. The Coccoro is a great little seat that doesn’t take up much room when rear-facing and is fairly narrow, too. That’s a huge bonus in compact cars. The trade-off is that it’s hardly bigger than some of the infant seats currently on the market so it’s quickly outgrown by height and weight in the RF position. Average size models, like the Britax G4 convertibles and Peg Perego Primo Viaggio Convertible, have modest rear-facing height limits but can still accommodate many kids rear-facing past 24 months old AND fit easily in your small car!

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Britax Advocate G4 in Toyota Prius

While this list does include 19 current convertible models, it is NOT an all-inclusive list and I was limited to what I had available or had access to during the project period. More models may be added in the future.

grade-b-plusSeats have been given letter grades for simplicity. This “Space Grade” relates only to the amount of room that the seat takes up when rear-facing as compared with the other seats on this list. Keep in mind that even seats with an “A” rating aren’t guaranteed to fit rear-facing or install properly in the back seat of your vehicle but they’re a good place to start if you’re on a quest to find a good rear-facing convertible that doesn’t take up a lot of room. By the same token, just because a seat has a “C” or “D” rating doesn’t mean it won’t fit well rear-facing in a smaller vehicle. There are just so many variables in each specific situation that you really never know for sure until you try it.

For the record, my installation method for each seat was pretty basic. I didn’t use any tricks to try to get the seats more upright or anything like that. I also didn’t attach the rear-facing tether in cases where that was specifically an option (Britax, Diono). I used the lower LATCH anchors for each install (with the exception of the Britax Boulevard ClickTight) just to be consistent, and because it was easier in most cases. Each seat was installed properly and in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions. In most cases I didn’t need to any pool noodles to increase the recline angle because it wasn’t necessary – but there were a few exceptions. Normally, I like to get behind the rear-facing convertible and use my hips or mid-section to compress the seat down and into the vehicle seat cushion, leaving both hands free to tighten the seatbelt or latch strap. However, I couldn’t do that with these installs because that would have required moving the front seat forward to get my body back there, and that wasn’t an option. The front passenger seat stayed in its precise position throughout the project period.

I set the front passenger’s seat in a specific fixed position with the seatback angle neither too reclined nor too upright for an adult to sit comfortably. Then, in each case I measured the distance between the convertible and the point on the back of the front passenger seat or head restraint that was likely to make first contact. That “contact point” varied depending on the height and contour of the CR. So, this means that these measurements and grades could vary somewhat in a different vehicle that has a different contour of vehicle seats, different geometry of head restraints or is simply installed somewhat differently. In other words… 

Britax Blvd installed in Freestar - YMMV

Your mileage may vary!

In cases where the convertible had a height-adjustable headrest (HR), I took separate measurements with the HR flush with the shell and also with the HR extended to the max RF height limit. If the convertible allowed more than one recline position on the base to be used for RF then I installed the seat using the different recline positions as long as it installed within the acceptable recline angle range. There was one exception I made and that was for the Maxi-Cosi Pria 70 installed in the semi-reclined position. I was just so blown away by the amount of room that I gained with that seat in the #2 recline position that I couldn’t throw it out just because the level line wasn’t level with the ground. More specific details on that installation and those results can be found in the Maxi-Cosi Pria 70 notes below.

Okay, enough rambling… this is what you’re here for! Below is a table comparing the various convertibles and listing their space grade, the amount of space gained in relation to the most space-consuming convertibles tested and the seat’s RF weight and seated height limits. *Hint: if you’re viewing this on your phone – turn it sideways to see all 4 columns.

Convertible Carseat Name (Details) Space Grade Space Gained RF Weight Max RF Height Limits & CR Interior Ht Measurement
Maxi-Cosi Pria 70 (Very upright angle; HR fully extended) A+ +7.5” 40 lbs. Child height 40” max; 25” tall with HR extended
Britax Boulevard ClickTight* (More upright angle; HR fully extended) A +5″ to +6″ 40 lbs. 1″ rule from top of shell; 28.5″ tall
Britax Pavilion G4** A +5″ 40 lbs. 1” rule from top shell; 24” tall
Britax Roundabout 55 G4 A +5″ 40 lbs. 1”rule from top shell; 24” tall
Chicco NextFit (More upright angle; HR fully extended) A +5″ 40 lbs. 1” rule with HR fully extended; 26” tall
Diono Radian with optional Angle Adjuster accessory A +5″  40 or 45 lbs. Child height 44″ or less and 1.5″ rule from top of shell; 25″ tall
Diono Rainier***with optional Angle Adjuster accessory A +5″  50 lbs. Child height 44″ or less and 1.5″ rule from top of shell; 25″ tall
Graco Size4Me**** (HR flush with shell) A +5″ 40 lbs. 1” rule from plastic headrest adjustment lever when HR fully extended; 27.5” tall
Peg Perego Primo Viaggio Convertible  (HR flush with shell) A +5″  45 lbs. 1” rule with HR in max RF ht position (7th notch); 24” tall
Britax “Classic” Marathon or Classic Roundabout 50 A- +4.5″  35 lbs. 1” rule from top of shell; 25.5” tall
Evenflo Triumph A- +4.5″  40 lbs. Child height 37″ max; 1” from top of shell; 23” tall
Peg Perego Primo Viaggio Convertible (HR extended to max RF height position) A- +4.5″  45 lbs. 1” rule with HR in max RF ht position (7th notch); 24” tall
Safety 1st Guide 65 (Most upright recline angle, HR fully extended) A- +4.5″  40 lbs. Child height 40” max; 24.5” with HR fully extended
Evenflo Symphony (HR extended to max RF height position) B+ +4″  40 lbs. Child height 37″ max; 1” rule with HR in 2nd height setting; 23” tall
Graco 4Ever All-in-One (More reclined HR Flush with shell and more upright HR fully extended) B+ +4″  40 lbs. 1” rule from plastic headrest adjustment lever when HR fully extended; 27.5” tall
Graco Milestone All-in-One (More upright angle; HR fully extended) B+ +4″ 40 lbs. 1” rule from plastic headrest adjustment lever when HR fully extended; 27.5” tall
Chicco NextFit (Max recline angle; HR flush with shell) B +3.5  40 lbs. 1” rule with HR fully extended; 26” tall
Graco Milestone All-in-One (Max recline angle; HR flush with shell) B +3.5 40 lbs. 1” rule from plastic headrest adjustment lever when HR fully extended; 27.5” tall
Maxi-Cosi Pria 70 (Max recline angle; HR flush with shell) B +3.5″  40 lbs. Child height 40” max; 25” with HR fully extended
Safety 1st Guide 65 (Max recline angle, HR flush with shell) B +3.5″  40 lbs. Child height 40” max; 24.5” with HR fully extended
Britax Boulevard ClickTight (Max recline angle, HR flush with shell) B- +3″ 40 lbs. 1″ rule from top of shell; 28.5″ tall
Graco My Ride 65 B- +3″  40 lbs. 1” rule from top shell; 24” tall
Clek Foonf (HR Flush with shell & HR fully extended) C+ +2.5″  45 or 50 lbs. Child ht 43” max and 1” rule from top of HR when fully extended; 26.5” tall
Evenflo SureRide C+ +2.5″  40 lbs. Child height 40” max and 1” rule; 25” tall
Safety 1st Advance SE 65 Air+ (Most upright position for over 22 lbs.; HR fully extended) C +2″  40 lbs. Child height 40″ max; 28″ tall with HR fully extended
Graco Size4Me*** (HR fully extended) C- +1.5″  40 lbs. 1” rule from plastic headrest adjustment lever when HR fully extended; 27.5” tall
Safety 1st Advance SE 65 Air+ (Max recline position for under 22 lbs.; HR flush with shell) D +.5″  40 lbs. Child height 40″ max; 28″ tall with HR fully extended
Safety 1st Complete Air (Max upright position) D +.5″  40 lbs. Child height 40” max; 27.5” tall
Diono Radian  D +0″  40 or 45 lbs. Child height 44” or less and 1.5” rule from top shell; 25”
Diono Rainier** D +0”  50 lbs. Child height 44” or less and 1.5” rule from top shell; 25”
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Space Grade” is not our rating of the carseat overall. It is an indicator of how much extra space it offered the front seat passenger in our test vehicle.

* Britax Boulevard ClickTight is equivalent to Britax Advocate ClickTight and Marathon ClickTight

** Britax Pavilion G4 is equivalent in size to Britax Marathon G4Boulevard G4 and Advocate G4

*** Diono Rainier is equivalent in size to Diono Pacifica and Diono Olympia

**** Graco Size4Me is equivalent in size to the Graco HeadWise, Graco MySize and Graco Fit4Me

Note: CR Interior Height Measurement refers to the measurement of the Child Restraint (CR) from the bottom of the seated area to the top of the restraint in its maximum rear-facing height position (picture below).  This measurement may range from 23″ to 28″.  The overall “Child Height”, or standing height limit is also stated for seats that list one in their owner’s manual. The “1 Inch Rule” states that the child has outgrown the CR by height if there is only 1″ of shell or headwing structure (this varies from seat to seat so check the notes in the chart above) left above the child’s head. In other words, you always want more than 1″ of shell or structure above your child’s head. Once they get to the point where there is only 1″ left above their head – the seat is outgrown in the rear-facing position.

Interior Height Measurement

 

Here is a breakdown of each convertible tested with a few additional details and pics of the installation:

Review of the Britax Pioneer 70: A Pioneering New Seat?

Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:54:51 AMThe car seat world has been abuzz over Britax’s trio of new combination seats. CarseatBlog has already reviewed the Frontier 90 and Pinnacle 90, and now it’s time to meet their cousin, the Britax Pioneer 70 Combination Carseat.

First thing’s first:

  • Age minimum, harness: 2 years
  • Harness limits: 25-70 lbs, 30-54″
  • Booster limits: 40-110 lbs, 45-59″
  • Lowest harness height: 12″
  • Highest harness height: 18.5″
  • Highest booster setting: 21″
  • Highest shell height: 29″
  • Crotch strap positions: 6″ and 8″

If you were passing the Pioneer on the street, you could easily mistake it for a Frontier 90 or a Pinnacle, but there are some significant differences. Britax created the Pioneer to be a more affordable option, and that means the seat doesn’t come with all of the features of the more expensive two.

Here’s a chart comparing all three seats:

 

Pioneer 70

Frontier 90

Pinnacle 90

Height range: harness

30-54”

30-58”

30-58”

Height range: booster

45-59”

45-62”

45-62”

Weight range: harness

25-70 lbs

25-90 lbs

25-90 lbs

Weight range: booster

40-110 lbs

40-120 lbs

40-120 lbs

Age minimum

2

2

2

Top harness height

18.5”

20.5”

20.5”

Top booster height

21”

23”

23”

No-rethread harness

YES

YES

YES

Front-adjust recline

YES

YES

YES

Safe Cell base

YES

YES

YES

Steel reinforced shell

YES

YES

YES

ClickTight system

NO

YES

YES

HUGS

NO

YES

YES

Side Impact Cushions

NO

NO

YES

 

So how does the Pioneer differ? First, the maximum harness height is lower on the Pioneer than on the Pinnacle and Frontier 90. The other two top out at a best-in-class 20.5″, while the Pioneer comes in at 18.5″. That’s still a nice, tall seat—just not as tall as the others in Britax’s line.

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