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A Bit about RVs

This post was written by Heather (murphydog77) on June 2, 2009
Posted Under: Safety

The dreaded day came.  The day dh said that he wanted to take the kids camping.  This brought dread to me for a couple of reasons: first, I’m not a camper.  I’ve been camping before, even RVing, and yeah, it’s fun for the first day until the mosquitoes start biting and you try to sleep through the cacophony of bugs buzzing and wild animals rooting around your campground.  And let’s not forget the sun rising at 4a.  Second, dh wanted to rend an RV.  Whoa!  Deep breath.  RVs are fun and provide a great home away from home when camping and traveling, but when you’re actually on the road, are they really safe for kids?

I agreed to take a field trip with dh to the RV store to look at the rental RVs to see how we could safely transport our 7 and 9 year old kids to the campground.  We looked at 3 different RVs, all class C: 22′, 25′, and 30′.  Class C RVs have a cut-away van chassis with a bunk over the cab, plus a bed in the back (and let’s not forget the bathroom!).  Essentially an RV is a chassis, be it truck or van, with a box frame built on top of it.  According to RV Consumer Group, the Class C is considered one of the safest because it has the van cockpit area intact: the driver and front passenger protection is there.  They’re just the right size for a small family to get away for a weekend.  On this camping trip, there will be 2 adults and 2 children: dh, MIL (um, did I mention I’m not fond of camping?), our 7 yr old harnessed in a Britax Frontier, and our 9 yr old in a booster seat because he’s too big for anything else (for you car seat people whose minds are whirring about possible car seat combinations ;) ).  In each RV, the only lap/shoulder belts are located in the front driver and passenger seats.

The 22′ RV has lap belts galore.  There are 2 lap-only belts at the dinette table on the forward-facing side.  Upon further investigation, the seat belt is bolted to a metal bar under the bench.  The seat belt came from a couple inches forward of the bight (crack), which can pose serious install problems.  Because the bench was completely surrounded by plywood, I couldn’t tell how the metal bar was secured to the vehicle.  The cushion on the bench was removable, so there’s the potential for it to move around during a crash.


 

 

 

The other 3 seat belts are lap-only and found on the sideways-facing couch.  The belts are bolted to the floor.  Can you imagine sitting with your 2 best friends or family members buckled in sideways in a lap-only belt on the couch?  No wonder no one wants to buckle up in these things.

  
 

The 25′ RV was set up nearly the same seat belt-wise except that instead of a couch, it had a single side-facing lounge chair with a lap-only belt.

The 30′ RV had 4 lap-only belts at the dinette with 2 on the rear-facing side facing the 2 on the forward-facing side.  It also had a side-facing couch with 3 lap-only belts.

 

 

 

So the dilemma is where to put everyone in the 25′ RV, the one we feel best suits our needs.  Given that dh is the driver and the only other position where a booster can safely be used is the front passenger seat, that’s where 9 yr old ds will go with the express instructions to not move, lol.  He’s been well-versed in the dangers of airbags.  Britax doesn’t allow installation of their restraints on side-facing or rear-facing vehicle seats, nor does any other car seat manufacturer (I checked with Britax and as long as the restraint is placed on a forward-facing vehicle seat and can be installed per the directions given in the user manual, installing in an RV is just fine).  Given that restriction, dd will go at the dinette ASSUMING I can get a good installation of less than 1″ of movement at the belt path.  The Frontier tends to be a, er, fussy seat to install under the best of circumstances; I’m not sure how it will do given what I have to work with on the dinette bench.  MIL will sit in the side-facing chair in a lap-only belt (and I hope her head doesn’t collide with ds’s should a crash occur).

I would so love RVing to be the easy answer, but it’s not.  Load up some food, throw the dog and kids in and go.  If you got tired mid-trip, you laid on a bed and slept; if you got hungry, you made a sandwich.  That’s the way it used to be before we got smart.  I remember it being that way when I went RVing in the 70s with my dad and his family in the ol’ Winnebago.  Unfortunately, there are some serious safety issues with RVs because of unrestrained passengers who can fly into each other in a crash (you’re 4 times more likely to be thrown from a vehicle if you’re unrestrained).  A 40 lbs. child becomes a 2200 lbs. bullet in a 55 mph crash when he’s not buckled, so while it’s fun to run around and be free in the RV, it’s incredibly dangerous.  And don’t forget about the luggage and other miscellaneous things laying around the cabin of the RV.

After we got all the logistics figured out, the RV was going to be $129/day + $0.32/mile + a fee to empty the tanks + gas + a per hour charge for the generator, if used.  Insurance is included.  In order to take possession, we would be required to pick up the afternoon before we needed it and return it the morning after returning home, thus incurring 2 extra days’ charges.  Dh decided to find a nicer condo to rent for cheaper instead.  With real beds.  And a real shower.  And internet.  I may now go :) .

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Reader Comments

Oh thank goodness this story has a happy ending! I was working myself into a panic just thinking about you guys in an RV. For the record – I LOVE camping. I take the kids tent camping at least once or twice every summer. The bugs, rustic bathrooms and potential bear sightings don’t scare me at all. But traveling in a flimsy, boxed living room at 60 mph with multiple projectiles at every angle… I shudder at the mere thought.

#1 
Written By Kecia on June 2nd, 2009 @ 1:16 pm

My family goes camping fairly frequently. For years now we’ve had a trailer, which was towed by a Suburban and is now towed by a 4 door full size truck. I like the vehicle+trailer combo better than a motorhome for more than just safety reasons. If you’re going to stay somewhere more than one night, you can disconnect and take the smaller vehicle elsewhere which allows you to go on more roads (4WD) and uses less gas.

#2 
Written By Danielle on June 2nd, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

I’m relieved to see the condo rental resolution at the end of your blog article, whew, and that’s more in line with my idea of camping, too. :) The most “rustic” I’ve gone is an Amish built log cabin at a campground. Said cabin has A/C, bathroom with hot and cold running water, electricity, TV, and wireless Internet. We’re probably spending the night there again soon with the kids. :-)

#3 
Written By Jeanum on June 2nd, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

That’s why we have a Suburban and MIL has a tow-behind fifth wheel camper. ;)

#4 
Written By skaterbabs on June 2nd, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

Yeah, I gave up camping the last time we went specifically to look at the Perseids (it was cloudy). Dh–then boyfriend–was sound asleep while I laid there petrified, listening to whatever was underneath our camper, rooting around and making grunting and snuffling noises. I was waiting for the huge bear shadow to rear up on the side wall! :O

Dh’s favorite TV show of the year is the annual RV Show on HGTV. We’ve both decided that if we ever do buy one (hahahahahahahahaha!), it would be a 5th wheel. Some of those are soooooo nice! Plus you have the added advantage of everyone riding safely in a truck. And it gives me happy memories of The Long, Long Trailer. ;)

We did briefly consider adding a hitch to one of our vehicles, but I said no way, not for 1 camping trip. [shaking head] He was trying.

#5 
Written By murphydog77 on June 2nd, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

Tent camping– yes.

Trailer camping– maybe.

RVing– not until/unless we’re retired people travelling alone! They’re really only designed to carry 2 people safely, IMO.

#6 
Written By ketchupqueen on June 3rd, 2009 @ 2:40 am

lap belts, potential projectiles everywhere, no real good places to install a CR, whoa, this sounds like every car seat geek’s worst nightmare of a vehicle and we haven’t even started discussing the fuel consumption and vehicle dynamics/handling that would make a minivan or a huge SUV seem like an Indy car by comparison =:-O

So glad you and DH agreed on the condo alternative – you’ve saved us all from vicarious seat-install nightmares. And (having been stuck behind RV’s en route to Yosemite and Yellowstone on a few occasions) I’ll bet anyone driving behind you on your way to your destination will also be glad that you’re not RVing ;-)

#7 
Written By Elaine on June 3rd, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

DH was fantasizing recently about going camping with an RV someday with our kids (when they’re older). Apparently I’m a big wet blanket because all I kept saying was how unsafe I thought it was what with only two proper seats and projectiles everywhere. He didn’t like me putting a downer on his dreaming. Plus he just thinks I’m crazy because he thinks the chance of getting in a collision or some such thing in one is super slim. Not that he has any evidence to back that up… but I don’t have any to prove they are unsafe either. Just logic. And a car safety obsession. Ah well. We’re a few years away from arguing that one out for real. Can’t wait.

#8 
Written By sparkyd on June 4th, 2009 @ 9:14 am

Great job letting people know exactly WHY an RV is not safe for transporting children (or more than two people). Thanks H!

#9 
Written By Bookmama on June 4th, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

Sparky, how ’bout he drives the RV and you follow in the regualar vehicle?

Also, that way you have it for excursions/day trips.

If you wait long enough you’d even have extra drivers to trade off with, and teens old enough to take turns keeping him company in the RV…

#10 
Written By ketchupqueen on June 6th, 2009 @ 1:03 am

I have no idea who you are, but your post/thread here was cathartic to say the least. Against my will I am loading up half, no 3/4 of my house, my 3 kids, and going with the novice Nomad (dh) for 5 days in some lady’s rv. I can’t tell you how much I want to scream. We went RVing when I was little and it was so fun. But now I’m grown up and NO THANK YOU! “Isn’t there another way???” I’m thinking. Apparently there isn’t. He has convinced himself and off we go.

In retrospect, it would be more fun if you didn’t have to take half the house, make sure the yucky floors and shower are sanitary (yuk yuk yuk) and if there was a smart solution to the car seat thing. Don’t get why RV’s are such a family thing if no one has taken the initiative to follow the law when it comes to transporting children! Makes no sense.

Plus- isn’t the idea- when you are a SAHM who constantly serves- to have someone ELSE cook for you, clean for you, and entertain your kids?? Just a thought.

Anyways, it’s nice that i am not the only one.;)

#11 
Written By kebo on March 11th, 2010 @ 6:27 pm

Aw, good luck, Kebo. P.S. It’s really easy to fake being asleep when someone wants something ;) .

#12 
Written By Heather (murphydog77) on March 15th, 2010 @ 2:06 pm

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