In an earlier blog, my dh, Matt, and I, gave the Tesla Model S a spin as we waited for ours to be built. Now that we’ve picked ours up, how do I rate the brand new 2013 Tesla Model S all-electric plug-in sedan? It’s fantastic! It’s stupendously awesome, outrageously superb, and simply one-of-a-kind. I think everyone should own one. If that were the case, we’d have much less dependency on oil, especially once we have better solar and wind infrastructure. With the Tesla, the future is alternative.
What makes the Model S so special? First, the S is one of only three plug-in only, mainstream electric vehicles (EVs), with the Nissan Leaf and Toyota RAV-4 being the others. All the other more familiar cars on the road, like the plug-in Prius and Volt, are hybrids, which means that they not only plug in but also use gasoline. You don’t put gas in the S–the only consumer-supplied liquid the Tesla takes is windshield wiper fluid. And whatever beverage you choose to bring along.
The S goes a long way before you need to plug it in. The Leaf has an EPA rated range of about 75 miles on a full charge. The RAV-4 has an EPA rated range of around 103 miles before needing to be plugged in. The EPA has not yet tested the smallest Tesla battery, but the medium battery (60 kWh) gives a range of about 206 miles; the largest battery (85 kWh) pack lasts 265 miles. While none of these cars makes for spectacular cross-country traveling vehicles just yet, they’re more than adequate commuter cars and the Tesla has a range that allows you to go farther than the others in more luxury. Tesla has an ace up its sleeve to help with that problem, which the family successfully used to drive home to Las Vegas from the Bay Area (for free), but more on that later.
The car drives as you would expect any luxury car to drive: handling is taut (and the steering adjustable, from feeling like a Cadillac land yacht to a sports car) and the leather seats are comfortable and highly adjustable. The ride is smooth and since there’s no transmission, there’s no waiting for gears to change as you accelerate. The interior is just as streamlined as the exterior. It’s sparse—extremely sparse by our American standards. There are two cup holders in the center armrest for the entire vehicle and exactly 2 buttons on the dash. The only storage compartment is the average-sized glove box. There also aren’t any grab handles in the ceiling for when drivers take a turn too fast and no coat hooks. But the molded door armrests with sleek ambient LED lighting underneath are comfortable. The sun visors are small and the mirrors not lit; Tesla has suggested replacements are on the way.
While it’s lacking in spots to stash things to junk up the interior, it’s definitely not lacking in high tech. A huge 17″ color touch screen fills the center dash and it’s the control center for the car. This is where the climate controls, energy consumption, Google map with Tesla navigation overlay, web browser, media display (no DVD player, sorry!), Bluetooth phone controls, and backup camera are housed. You choose which applications show on the screen; either two in a split screen or one taking up the whole thing. One nifty thing you can do is keep the backup camera going while driving forward; it’s a bit nauseating to have on constantly, but if someone is tailgating or something interesting is happening out the back, you can keep track of it that way. Firmware updates are set to occur, by default, at 2:00 a.m. while the car, and you, are asleep, though that time will be changeable to suit your schedule once a firmware update is finished rolling out. You read correctly–one of the best things about the S is that because the car is so software driven, as owners give more feedback Tesla makes updates to the vehicles. Early on, owners missed the “creep” forward (or backward) that gas-powered automatic transmission vehicles give when you let up on the brake at a stoplight or when backing out of a parking space. Tesla added an option to enable or disable creep with a software update. Try that in any other car.
The dash in front of the driver can be customized as well to show energy consumption, climate controls, turn-by-turn navigation, trip odometers and media controls. The center of that dash has the speedometer, with an energy meter showing how much energy you’re pulling from, or putting into, the batteries.
Why Go Green?
First and foremost, global warming. Greenhouse gases are causing our planet to warm at an alarming rate and causing changes to our environment that affect our food, our seas, and our lives. I know not everyone buys into that theory but I do and it’s my blog :). Plugging in gives you a sense of being independent from big oil. We have limited roof space due to a solar pool heating system, but we will soon be investigating solar panels alongside our pool heater to hopefully at least cover the cost of charging the car and providing some power for the house. Plus if your employer provides a plug-in station, you might be able to charge for free while you work!
Tesla provides a nifty website to determine how much carbon you save depending on where you live. If you’re in Idaho, for example, where 80% of electricity comes from hydroelectric sources (and, oddly, 4% from burning wood), the carbon footprint of the car is 93.5% lower than a typical internal combustion engine vehicle (ICE, for short). But if you’re in West Virginia, where 96% of electricity comes from burning coal, the footprint is only 22% smaller. Washington, D.C., may be one of the worst places to live for clean electricity, with 100% coming from burning petroleum. There is also some controversy over the effect of mining lithium to manufacture the battery pack. But unlike the typical ICE vehicle, which emits more pollution as it gets older and is not tuned properly, the Model S will get cleaner over time as our electricity production gets cleaner. And charging overnight, when the load on the power grid is lower and more efficient sources of power are used, helps further.
As of right now, a gallon of premium unleaded is $3.91 where I buy it for my MDX that gets around 17 mpg if I drive mostly on the freeway. According to the Tesla Motors webpage where it compares gas savings to electric savings, my total fuel cost for the year (if gas prices stay at a constant $3.91) is $2300 vs. $311 for the Model S. That doesn’t include oil changes (the S takes none), yearly smog checks (not required for EVs), and other maintenance required for the hundreds of moving parts in an ICE. The S’s electric motor has precisely one moving part.
There are also financial incentives such as a $7500 Federal Tax Credit and there may be more locally depending on your state’s tax structure. Our local electric company offers an EV rate to owners if we sign up for their off-peak use rate and plug in then (which is overnight when we plug in anyway). You also get special parking spots in some places and, if you’re so lucky, you get to use the HOV lane on the freeway with a single driver.
Space Design
It’s a hatchback sedan, so you’d think that there’s not much storage room, right? The trunk is very spacious, and overall there is more storage space than a BMW 5 Series. The car itself is very heavy because of the battery, so to keep things light, Tesla doesn’t include a spare tire. Instead, there’s a covered deep well that easily holds a carry-on size suitcase. The back trunk space is also designed to hold Tesla’s specially designed 5-point harness child seats, which seats up to 2 children facing backward. We didn’t purchase this add-on accessory because our kids are too big for the seats, but for the younger crowd, it’s a great way to add on and make room for more adults in the front. With those seats, the 5 seater Model S becomes a 7 seater. The child seats fold down flat into the storage well when space is needed to transport other items. The back seat also folds flat—not nearly flat—but completely flat.
Tesla Rear Facing 5-Point Harness Child Seats Specs
- For children over 37” tall
- Weight: 35-77 lbs.
Thanks to Car-Seat.org member, Andrew Eitingon and his cute 4 year old son, Felix, we have some great pictures of the child seats in action! Andrew says that Felix loves his seats in the back, but that because there are no direct air vents, it will probably get hot in the summer. He also says he sometimes can’t hear Felix talking and can’t see him because his head is below the top of the child seat. But Felix enjoys the view!
Since there’s no engine up front, there’s storage space there in the “frunk.” OK, technically it’s called the front trunk, but frunk is such a better term for it, don’t you think? It’s a secret storage spot that’s hidden from view from prying eyes and holds an equally impressive amount of stuff. Even better? It holds items out of the passenger cabin so they won’t become projectiles and hit the people inside.
I can’t leave the Space Design section without mentioning the back seat headroom. It’s a bit on the short side for taller passengers because of the sloping design of the car. In the model with the panoramic sun roof, dh’s head sticks up into the sun roof area and with our son expected to be over 6’ as well, I anticipate I’ll be relegated to the back seat in the next few years.
Tesla App
The Tesla S has an app available for Android and iPhone users that gives owners battery status updates, control over locking and unlocking the doors, honking the horn and flashing the lights, remote climate control, car location and speed information via Google maps, and setting up service appointments. We’ve had vast amounts of fun with the app randomly honking the horn while it’s been parked in parking lots and I’ve had fun irritating dh as he’s been driving by turning the air conditioning on. It’s probably a good thing that the horn controls are disabled while the car is in motion or I’m sure there would be road rage incidents reported. But from a practical aspect, it is nice to come back to a completely toasty vehicle on a cold night and to monitor the charging when it’s parked at a charging station. And as a wife, I always know where dh is and how fast he’s driving ;).
Model S Safety Items
The Model S is built for safety; Tesla Motors aimed high and wanted to make sure the car gets 5 stars in whatever category NHTSA tests it in. It has the standard front, torso, and side curtain airbags, along with knee airbags. There are 3 full pages in the manual discussing the airbags and how they work. Go Tesla Motors!
The front seat belts both have dynamic locking latchplates and the passenger side has a switchable retractor too (so you must lock the retractor if you must install a carseat in the front passenger seat). Having this dual locking system on the seat belt has better testing results on crash dummies.
The back seat belts have switchable retractors only. The outboard seat belts in the back seat are awkward to pull from the wall of the car. It’s as if the opening isn’t large enough so the edge of the seat belt catches on the side of the plastic bezel; the belt is harder to pull out when you pull it toward the front of the car as opposed to the opposite side of the car. I wonder when the seat belts will start to fuzz on the sides like we see carseat harness adjuster straps fuzz when parents don’t pull them straight.
Head restraints for the 2012 seats are unimpressive, which will make those of you who hate the new active head restraints in new cars happy. The head restraints are essentially flat, almost stick-like, and do no coddling of the head. My first thought when I saw the back seat was, “What cute little nubbins. I wonder if they do anything.”
The Model S and Carseats
I had the first hint of trouble when dh mentioned a thread about booster seats he had read on the Tesla forums where he’s a member. There are outside bolsters on the outboard seats that can cause some problems. The seat belt anchors are 12” apart and the buckles are flush with the seat bight (crack). Most boosters on the market are wider than 12” at the back where kids are trying to buckle themselves. Toss in very slippery leather and the results are frustrating. If you want your own child to buckle himself while using a booster, only the narrowest booster will work in the outboard positions. I did an exhaustive search and the backless boosters I found that worked best for my 10 yr old dd, in order, are*:
Cosco Top Side
Graco Connext
Harmony Youth Booster
Harmony Cruz
RideSafer Travel Vest
*For a more updated look at carseats in the Model S, click here.
You’ll notice right off with these boosters that with the exception of the Cruz, they all have the same shape of narrowing at the back. If your child is larger in the bum area, this can be a problem especially in the Top Side. I’m 5’6” and of normal weight and fit into both Harmony boosters to give you an idea of fit for bigger kids. I also mention the RideSafer Travel Vest; since it’s a vest, it’s as wide as the kid wearing it and only takes a minute to route the seat belt through it.
A solution I saw mentioned on the Tesla forums is an aftermarket buckle extender. I ordered one that had a webbing-style stalk and another that had a twisted wire stalk, otherwise known as a stiff buckle stalk. Neither of these buckle extenders is recommended for two reasons: it’s not mentioned in the S owner’s manual nor is it allowed by any carseat manufacturer for use with any booster. It is an easy fix for sure and the webbing stalk extender does set the buckle at a reasonable length, but will it really hold in a crash? We don’t know for sure and who really wants to find out using their own kid.
Upon reading the online manual, I noticed a paragraph in the section titled, “Safety Seats for Larger Children,” that needs to be addressed.
Secure booster seats using the seat belts only. Do not use the LATCH system to secure booster seats, even in situations where the booster seat is equipped with the LATCH system. Carefully follow the booster seat manufacturer’s instructions to secure the booster seat using the seat belts.
I followed up with Tesla on this one because there are several boosters on the market now that use LATCH to secure them to the vehicle and because it was such a staunch statement against using LATCH for boosters. I was intrigued. Turns out that this question and another I asked were fairly high level questions. I was so impressed that the Tesla representative followed through with the proper people and got back to me so quickly! The engineer doesn’t like LATCHing boosters. It’s as simple as that. But the representative did say that it’s caused some discussion within the company, so it sounds like it’s possible that may change in the future. Bottom line is that of this writing, don’t LATCH your boosters in and as you can see in the following picture, the Clek Olli, one of the narrowest rigid LATCH boosters on the market, covers up the buckle altogether. If you read the manual now, you’ll notice that wording has been removed. The manual is updated occasionally.
I installed both a Diono Radian RXT and a Britax Advocate 70 rear-facing and forward-facing using the seat belt and LATCH to test both systems. If you look at the back seat, it appears to have 2 bights, but there’s really only one and it’s located 3.5” above the bottom seat cushion. Having the lower LATCH anchors there didn’t affect installation at all. The only problem I had with the lower anchors were that they sat right on top of the stiff leather so I had problems attaching both push-on and clip-style LATCH connectors.
Of note is that there are 5 lower LATCH anchors. Carseats may be simultaneously installed using the lower LATCH in the passenger and driver’s outboard positions OR in the passenger and center positions. Here—a picture from the manual is worth 23 words.
The rear-facing Diono Radian was easy to install with both LATCH and later the seat belt. I installed it behind the passenger seat and without an optional angle adjuster, there wasn’t enough room for the front passenger to sit comfortably. Installed in the center position with the seat belt, the front seats would have to be moved up some, but with the angle adjuster, there would be plenty of room. Using the off-center LATCH, the Radian would most definitely touch the driver’s seat without an angle adjuster.
The Britax Advocate also went in easily with using either LATCH or the seat belt and because of its shorter shell, there was plenty of room for front passengers. At the base, it took up the same amount of room as the Radian, but because of its side impact cushions, it takes up more shoulder space.
Can rear-facing carseats touch the front seats? Yes! Tesla uses a bladder system in the front seat to determine airbag force, so it’s OK for carseats to touch that front seat. I asked twice. He laughed.
Forward-facing, both the Radian and Advocate were rock-solid installs. The integrated head restraint on the back seat poses little problem for tethers. Simply route a single strap tether over the top and snug it up. Since the head restraint is well-padded, it’s easy to over-tighten a tether on top of it and I did find that I should have tightened the Radian’s tether first before installing the Radian because the adjuster got buried behind the seat. When installing a carseat with LATCH in the center position, because it’s offset, the tether will also be offset over the head restraint. I’m including a picture of the Radian from the back to show how that looks since it’s at an angle. The Advocate’s V-shaped tether went around the sides of the head restraint.
I also tried out a Frontier 85 to see if the seat belts could handle the approved long belt path, which first comes in front, then wraps behind the seat, then comes in front again before buckling. It’s also known as a serpentine belt path and I love it because if your seat belts are long enough, it means the carseat is in rock solid! However, the S seat belts fall far short of being long enough. No amount of Tigger bouncing on that Frontier was going to make it work. The short belt path (or regular carseat install) yielded a very tight installation, though, and that made me happy!
Pros
- Awesomely fast acceleration: Yes indeed, 0-60 in 5.9 seconds (with our 60 kWh battery), though some owners have rocketed to 60 from a stop in 5.6 seconds
- Instantaneous whips-your-head-back power when accelerator is depressed
- Smooth ride
- Easy-to-use 17” display
- Spacious design with tons of big stuff storage
- Vast battery range with Supercharging stations located in busy corridors with more planned
- Useful app that’s also great for annoying spouse
- Newer models able to handle reading/responding to texts
Cons
- The back seat outboard seat belts catch on the bezel
- Lack of small stuff storage inside
- Still no Apple Play
- Self-retracting door handles buggy from time to time
- Buckles are flush with the seat bight in the back seat making buckling difficult for booster riders
- Sharp-edged doors may catch you as you get out
My immediate impression after having the car for a few days was that it was designed to be a commuter car for Dad. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, but it has only 2 cup holders for the front seats only and no other real cubbies for storage aside from one just under the dash. It’s an intelligent car designed for a changeless world driven by credit and access cards. However, Tesla Motors has shown that it’s a company willing to work with its owners and I’m sure that future versions of the Model S will incorporate creature comfort improvements. And we did manage to get Graycie (yes, we’ve given her a name already) home from the San Francisco Bay Area to Las Vegas–read about our trip in the next blog.
Since I wrote the initial review, Tesla has done much to improve the Model S. It’s a lovely car and I’ve had the pleasure of driving several as loaner cars while having my Model X serviced. They’re just simply fun to drive and a recent change allowing single pedal driving—where the car will come to a complete stop instead of a creep/crawl slowdown upon taking your foot off the accelerator—really helps with that. Our 2012 Model S seems downright archaic compared to today’s Model S with built-in surveillance cameras that also serve as dash cams. With Tesla, you’re really buying technology on wheels.
Carseat installation was easier on earlier versions of the Model S because the headrests were smaller, but like all newer vehicles, the headrests have been beefed up for adult passengers. In making larger, more angled headrests, carseat installation becomes more difficult. It becomes a trial and error process to find a carseat that fits best. I’ll keep updates here.
Updated April 2020
So glad to have found a car seat expert with experience installing in a Tesla, and am hoping it’s okay to ask a relevant question here.
It’s hard to tell in the pictures above, but did the back head restraints cause any of the forward-facing car seats to gap from the back seat? We have a 3.5yr and 14mo old currently rear-facing in Graco Size4Me/Headwises, who occasionally ask to be driven in Daddy’s Model S. Rear-facing both seats in the Tesla made my ride in the passenger seat very uncomfortable, so we tried forward-facing the 3.5yr old, but the height of the Size4Me and angle of Model S’s back seat head restraint created a very noticeable gap. We were still able to tighten it fairly snug, but are not sure if that gap should be a cause of concern.
Our current plan is to purchase a Radian RXT to keep installed in Daddy’s car for the occasional Daddy-son dates, but considering our 3.5yr old will not be rear-facing that much longer, wanted to make sure it would fit fine when forward-faced too.
To summarize, did the Radian RXT gap from the Model S’s back seat when installed forward-facing at all, or is that okay as long as the install is tight enough?
Thanks a lot for all the great information regarding car seat safety you provide, and wish your family builds many great memories with ‘Graycie’. We have the same color, and love it!
I’ve been trying to remember if it does cause a gap, but I can’t (and I had an RXT and a Rainier in there not too long ago too). I have checked with Britax, Diono, and Clek and confirmed that as long as there’s contact at the top of the carseat with the vehicle seat and that the base is entirely on the vehicle seat, a gap behind the carseat is fine. I’ll stick my Graco Contender in there tomorrow and see how it fits forward-facing. It’s very similar in shape to the Size4Me.
@Kathleen, it’s still tough. I forgot about Tesla’s prohibition of LATCH use and was thinking the Kiddy Cruiserfix Pro might be a good option, but it’s a pretty heavy seat to not have LATCHed. The Harmony V6 is the highback version of the Cruz (see the red/black backless booster pic above) and that may be the best option since the Cruz worked for us. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0069SHR4O/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0069SHR4O&linkCode=as2&tag=carseatblog-20 In fact, almost all of Harmony’s boosters are very narrow and would probably work well in the Tesla back seat.
Heather, thank you for this extremely helpful review. I am trying to research which high-back boosters work best in the Model S, and trying to avoid the need for a seat belt extender. Are you aware of any solutions for the Tesla? If not, which high-back boosters with narrow seats might you generally recommend? Thank you.
@pdxjam, I think it’s because of the size of the child seats themselves. They’re pretty big seats. I’d actually put him rear-facing in the 2nd row until he’s big enough to ride in the 3rd row (based on his written stats). If he’s outgrown his Britax seat rear-facing, then yes, ff in the 2nd row until he meets the reqs for the 3rd row seats.
Question – since you’re more of a carseat expert than I am I hope you can help. We just took delivery of our model S and LOVE it. Our 3 year old (37# 37″ tall) loves the 3rd row jump seat and can’t wait for her little brother to sit back there with her. He’s closer to 30# and 34″ at this point. Do you have a guess as to why the seats are not OK for smaller children? He’s got a long torso, as he and his sister have the similar height sitting next to each other but the leg length puts him about 3-4″ shorter than she is. Is it because he might slip out of the restraints? Do you think he’s safer forward facing in the backseat (in his britax) than rear facing in the 3rd row since he’s a little too small at the moment? I’m not planning on putting him back there early but don’t really understand why the weight restriction/height restriction helps in this situation.
I heard back from Tesla for their official stance on LATCHing belt positioning boosters: “Tesla does not recommend using LATCH with seatbelt positioning booster seats for the following reasons:
In the rear outboard positions, the Model S design does not allow for proper seat belt buckle access while a seat booster is installed with LATCH, thus Tesla does not recommend using LATCH attachment for seat belt positioning booster seat.
In the rear center position, the lower anchors are offset from the seat center and seatbelt, using a LATCH booster would lead to an incorrect position of the seatbelt in relation to the booster and child, and thus is not recommended.
In addition, users should always follow the Child Restraint System manufacturer’s instructions and recommendations except as noted above.”
Thanks for the kind words Jools. We’re having a blast with the car. Regarding the tax man, I would happily pay a tax to support road construction and maintenance, even though I do pay taxes on the electricity for the car. I would be even more supportive of scrapping the gas tax and imposing a tax based on miles driven to more accurately reflect any given car’s road usage.
I feel like I know someone famous, being able to say, “Hey! I someone with a Tesla!” :D.
I always knew Matt was holding out for something way more advanced than his last car, I just didn’t realize THIS was IT! So excited for you guys, thanks for the review 🙂
Oh, and keep some money in the bank for when the tax man comes for the impending driving fees…now that you don’t pay gas taxes, the roads gotta be built somehow (it’s evidently proposed in my state already, I hope my lame Escape hybrid, that only gets 27mpg, doesn’t qualify me to pay any extra :p)
It would be easier for Tesla to simply add loops on the seat tracks like Volvo does and at least one other manufacturer does (but I can’t remember off the top of my head right now). I didn’t know about wrapping through the bight like that. Interesting!
Yes, but if Tesla plans to go to Europe eventually, it would be a possible issue? Also in Canada- Canada has exemptions for visitors, who are only required to have their children restrained according to their home country laws in most provinces. So concievably, a visitor could come to Canada with a Swedish seat, and borrow a family member’s Tesla… Oh, and for specific medical conditions NHTSA has in the past granted exemptions, and in California a prescription is considered by those interpreting the laws enough to allow a medical exemption under California law to legally use a Swedish seat. So, there are situations in which they can be legally used- not to mention the illegal use some parents choose for varied reasons.
If they plan on expanding their market, it’s something they should probably look into at some point.
Specifically, they generally wrap through the bight and around the corner of the seat on each side. There is at least one seat that offers an alternate method of wrapping all the way around the seat back instead. Depending on where in the seat cushion, either or both of those methods might not impact the function of the bladder, or might. Generally these seats allow an alternate method of tethering if d-rings are available supplied with the car, or if there are designated anchor points. So that might be something for Tesla to look into if they decide that they want to go to Europe, and they determine that these tethers would interfere with the functioning of the airbag.
KQ, the bladder is in the seat cushion. I’m not familiar with Swedish seats, so I can’t comment on how they wrap through the seat bight other than to say that they probably would be incompatible. They’re illegal here anyway.
I have a question about the airbags. This bladder system, where is it located? Would it be affected by Swedish tether systems that wrap through the bight of the seat in front?
Thank you, that’s very interesting. I too am curious about how they managed that given the NHTSA bench as we all know is forward facing only.
My awesome Tesla rep responded quickly again and says this about the child seats: “Tesla has tested the third row seats in accordance to the test procedures of FMVSS 213. Our third row seats are child restraint systems that meet all federal requirements. Since states are pre-empted from enacting any safety standards that are not identical to federal requirements, our compliance with federal requirements equates to compliance with state requirements.” He also pointed out that BMW doesn’t allow bpbs to be LATCHed in BMWs and when I checked the LATCH manual, the authors do have an entry for LATCH and bpbs at the beginning of each vehicle section too. Rolls Royce doesn’t allow it either, so there :p.
@Joanna, I’m not sure about the child seats, actually. I’ll see if I can find that out. It’s an interesting question because I’m not sure they’re technically built-ins since they’re add-on seats that can be removed. I simply can’t imagine that they wouldn’t meet federal standards and Consumer Reports has received their child seats as well, so I know they’d surely scoop out those standards as well. It may be that only FMVSS 207 applies, which is the vehicle seating system standard.
Damn, that was thorough!
I, too, am curious about the child restraints meeting FMVSS213. I would ASSume they do, but how are they tested? Especially since they face backwards?
A minor correction: there are 3 cupholders in the Model S (two up front and one in the rear facing third row, for anybody brave enough to let their kiddo have a drink in such a nice car).
Great review.
Congrats on the S joining your household and thanks for the thorough review! Count me in as another hybrid driver who is drooling and looking longingly at the S (may that lucky lottery ticket come through for us to be able to buy one some day!) My notoriously long torsoed and EV envying DH tried on S models for size at the auto show, and he fits in the front seat if there’s no sunroof.
In response to Joanna, its not the first vehicle with a built in child’s carseat. I doubt that there would be any legal problem with using it just because its built in rather than separate. I personally wouldn’t care anyway. If they ticketed me I’d go to court and they’d all get an education. But I can’t afford a vehicle like this anyway so….
Can you comment on whether the integrated harnesses are FMVSS 213 approved? I.E. can you legally put a child into one of these restraints in lieu of a child restraint, if that child is at the age governed by child restraint laws in your state?
(For example, my 8 year old is not required to be in any child restraint and is under 77 lbs so presumably he could use this harness. Could my 5 and 7 year olds also use it in a state that requires restraint use through the 8th birthday?)
Fabulous review, Heather! I’m also intrigued by their stance on latching boosters. Glad to hear they followed up with the proper people and got back to you with a response. I would love to know more!
ooooooh. I want one.
Awesome review, Heather! Too bad they didn’t consult with us or even entertain our requests to see the three row version, else we could have given them an edge on the competition in terms of seating families and children:-) Of course, as you said, that’s not their focus. Sounds like an awesome ride and hopefully they will attend more to younger passengers in future updates.
My only reservation is the complete lack of crash testing from either the IIHS or NHTSA. Other than that, I’m very envious, driving a lowly hybrid!